Story about POW Jessica Lynch rescue/ordeal

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » April 3, 2003, 9:43 pm

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/ ... 03-ON.html

A nice read.

Mezzmor · Post by **Mezzmor** » April 4, 2003, 11:32 am

If it is actually confirmed that this is indeed what went down, IMO she should be the first woman to receive the CMoH.

Cartalas · Post by **Cartalas** » April 4, 2003, 11:33 am

Mezzmor wrote:If it is actually confirmed that this is indeed what went down, IMO she should be the first woman to receive the CMoH.

I hope so as well as the Brave Iraq Doctor that helped her.

Pherr the Dorf · Post by **Pherr the Dorf** » April 4, 2003, 12:23 pm

She sustained no gunshot wounds, despite a million reports that she did.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/04/ ... index.html

Winnow · Post by **Winnow** » April 4, 2003, 3:29 pm

The man slapped her, Mohammed said. "One, two," he added, making single slapping and back slap motions with his right hand. She was very brave, he recalled.

At minimum, she was at least bitch-slapped.

I'm curious as to how she broke her legs, ankle, head, spine and arm as well. I'm sure we'll know soon enough. Whatever happened, she's not to blame for false information from other sources.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » April 4, 2003, 5:20 pm

Sad to see a perfectly good story getting wrecked by the media. Tomorrow they will have her killing her way into the presidential palace and then locked in a life or death knife fight with Saddam Hussein, and she only loses because he cheats and uses anthrax.

You don't get the congressional medal of honor for taking a fucking wrong turn in your humvee and getting caught. If anyone should be getting medals it is the people that rescued her ass, who have already been forgotten if they were even mentioned at all.

Fairweather Pure · Post by **Fairweather Pure** » April 4, 2003, 5:24 pm

They gotta give medals away for something. /shrug

Drakoslay123 · Post by **Drakoslay123** » April 4, 2003, 5:38 pm

Big Salute to the rescuers.

Drakoslay

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » April 4, 2003, 5:41 pm

An even bigger salute to the Iraqi citizen that had nothing to gain and everything to lose by helping this soldier. He risked his families life for this person. What bigger gamble can you possibly make for another human beings welfare?

Kilmoll the Sexy · Post by **Kilmoll the Sexy** » April 4, 2003, 5:48 pm

Yup. And he was the one who went back to the hospital and placed himself at risk to study where the Iraqi soldiers stood, their pathing, shift changes, etc. Dude has giant titanium balls.

Alfan · Post by **Alfan** » April 4, 2003, 6:06 pm

Can he receive our highest Civilian medal?

Soreali · Post by **Soreali** » April 4, 2003, 6:08 pm

I'm watching Fox News now and it's saying that they might try to make a movie out of this. Anyone else have info to confirm this? probably horseshit.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » April 4, 2003, 6:10 pm

Soreali wrote:I'm watching Fox News now and it's saying that they might try to make a movie out of this. Anyone else have info to confirm this? probably horseshit.

i'm sure there will be scripts faxed to publishers by the end of the weekend.

Krimson Klaw · Post by **Krimson Klaw** » April 4, 2003, 6:11 pm

I hope so, he is 100% resposible for her being in US care right now. Irregardless of what side of the war you are on, this guy is an amazing human being. What really tugs at me is I think I know deep down inside he is a better person than I am, for I seriously doubt I would have risked my families life for another person. I just don't know. No other selfless act pops into mind that compares to this, at least not off the top of my head.

I may be blowing what he did out of proportion, I don't know. I just know I am moved by it.

Kelshara · Post by **Kelshara** » April 4, 2003, 6:23 pm

Well he did in fact risk not just his own, but his wife's life (she worked at the hospital) and the rest of the family's life. From what I hear they are now on the run.

He had big ones, no doubt. Went back several times as well.

Would I have? If it was just my life I risked, probably. I am honestly not sure if I would risk the lives of people I loved.

Voronwë · Post by **Voronwë** » April 4, 2003, 6:43 pm

Kelshara wrote:Well he did in fact risk not just his own, but his wife's life (she worked at the hospital) and the rest of the family's life. From what I hear they are now on the run.

.

he is under the protection of the US Military now at an undisclosed location, with his family.

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » April 4, 2003, 6:50 pm

he'll probably get a free ticket to us citizenship, he probably couldn't stay in Iraq.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » April 4, 2003, 8:40 pm

Why would someone get a CMoH for being taken as a PoW? She did nothing heroic. She was fighting to live, just like the other 11 or so people that did die. If you see people who despise you running at you with guns and knives you would shoot them also. I sure in the hell would.

Now if she faught them all off, had a huge glowing red and yellow S on her chest,killed them all and got her group back to the right area. Then yes she should. Don't bring down the real "Heros" or just heroic solders * I don't think theres any HEROS in a war. Its a shitty thing we do." from the past and compare her to them.

If you're so for her to get it. Compare her to Sgt York from WW1, or any other CMoH award winner *At the battle of the Argonne Forest in the fall of 1918, as a member of the 82nd division, he killed 25 Germans, knocked out 35 machine guns, and captured 132 prisoners almost single-handed*.
Either they were killed after many gun shot wounds to them, after saving their units. Or lived to have saved a lot of lives. Then give me a good reason for her to recive it.

Dont play someone who ended up in the wrong place, being held as a PoW as a hero. They kept her alive because she was female, and they thought they could get info from her a lot easier than the males. If it was just all guys, they would have kept the highest ranking one alive while killing all the others.

As I'm sure almost all the people in the military that post here that will agree with me on. Is that the Army or anyother service doesn't tell their solders jack and shit about anything. I'm 100% sure they wouldn't/didn't get any info from her or any of the males if they were alive.

noel · Post by **noel** » April 4, 2003, 9:15 pm

I agree Raist. No reason for her to get the CMoH, but very few people understand why that award is given. The majority of the CMoH awards have been given posthumously. That is to say, whatever selfless and heroic act that was done by the winner caused them to die in the process while at the same time saving their squadmates or others.

Those of you who saw the movie or read the book, 'Black Hawk Down' will be familiar with the two Delta operators that were posthumously awarded the CMoH. This, is what wins the Medal of Honor:

MEDALS OF HONOR AWARDED FOR ACTION IN SOMALIA
*GORDON, GARY I.
Rank and organization: Master Sergeant, U.S. Army. Place and date: 3 October 1993, Mogadishu, Somalia. Entered service at: ----- Born: Lincoln, Maine. Citation: Master Sergeant Gordon, United States Army, distinguished himself by actions above and beyond the call of duty on 3 October 1993, while serving as Sniper Team Leader, United States Army Special Operations Command with Task Force Ranger in Mogadishu, Somalia. Master Sergeant Gordon's sniper team provided precision fires from the lead helicopter during an assault and at two helicopter crash sites, while subjected to intense automatic weapons and rocket propelled grenade fires. When Master Sergeant Gordon learned that ground forces were not immediately available to secure the second crash site, he and another sniper unhesitatingly volunteered to be inserted to protect the four critically wounded personnel, despite being well aware of the growing number of enemy personnel closing in on the site. After his third request to be inserted, Master Sergeant Gordon received permission to perform his volunteer mission. When debris and enemy ground fires at the site caused them to abort the first attempt, Master Sergeant Gordon was inserted one hundred meters south of the crash site. Equipped with only his sniper rifle and a pistol, Master Sergeant Gordon and his fellow sniper, while under intense small arms fire from the enemy, fought their way through a dense maze of shanties and shacks to reach the critically injured crew members. Master Sergeant Gordon immediately pulled the pilot and the other crew members from the aircraft, establishing a perimeter which placed him and his fellow sniper in the most vulnerable position. Master Sergeant Gordon used his long range rifle and side arm to kill an undetermined number of attackers until he depleted his ammunition. Master Sergeant Gordon then went back to the wreckage, recovering some of the crew's weapons and ammunition. Despite the fact that he was critically low on ammunition, he provided some of it to the dazed pilot and then radioed for help. Master Sergeant Gordon continued to travel the perimeter, protecting the downed crew. After his team member was fatally wounded and his own rifle ammunition exhausted, Master Sergeant Gordon returned to the wreckage, recovering a rifle with the last five rounds of ammunition and gave it to the pilot with the words, "good luck." Then, armed only with his pistol, Master Sergeant Gordon continued to fight until he was fatally wounded. His actions saved the pilot's life. Master Sergeant Gordon's extraordinary heroism and devotion to duty were in keeping with the highest standards of military service and reflect great credit upon him, his unit and the United States Army.

*SHUGHART, RANDALL D.

Rank and organization: Sergeant First Class, U.S. Army. Place and date: 3 October 1993, Mogadishu, Somalia. Entered service at: ----- Born: Newville, Pennsylvania. Citation: Sergeant First Class Shughart, United States Army, distinguished himself by actions above and beyond the call of duty on 3 October 1993, while serving as a Sniper Team Member, United States Army Special Operations Command with Task Force Ranger in Mogadishu, Somalia. Sergeant First Class Shughart provided precision sniper fires from the lead helicopter during an assault on a building and at two helicopter crash sites, while subjected to intense automatic weapons and rocket propelled grenade fires. While providing critical suppressive fires at the second crash site, Sergeant First Class Shughart and his team leader learned that ground forces were not immediately available to secure the site. Sergeant First Class Shughart and his team leader unhesitatingly volunteered to be inserted to protect the four critically wounded personnel, despite being well aware of the growing number of enemy personnel closing in on the site. After their third request to be inserted, Sergeant First Class Shughart and his team leader received permission to perform this volunteer mission. When debris and enemy ground fires at the site caused them to abort the first attempt, Sergeant First Class Shughart and his team leader were inserted one hundred meters south of the crash site. Equipped with only his sniper rifle and a pistol, Sergeant First Class Shughart and his team leader, while under intense small arms fire from the enemy, fought their way through a dense maze of shanties and shacks to reach the critically injured crew members. Sergeant First Class Shughart pulled the pilot and the other crew members from the aircraft, establishing a perimeter which placed him and his fellow sniper in the most vulnerable position. Sergeant First Class Shughart used his long range rifle and side arm to kill an undetermined number of attackers while traveling the perimeter, protecting the downed crew. Sergeant First Class Shughart continued his protective fire until he depleted his ammunition and was fatally wounded. His actions saved the pilot's life. Sergeant First Class Shughart's extraordinary heroism and devotion to duty were in keeping with the highest standards of military service and reflect great credit upon him, his unit and the United States Army.

noel · Post by **noel** » April 4, 2003, 9:34 pm

I don't normally double post, but...

Here's another one. I highly recommend everyone take some time to read through this site.
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/moh1.htm

*MARTINI, GARY W.

Rank and organization: Private First Class, U.S. Marine Corps, Company F, 2d Battalion, 1st Marines, 1st Marine Division. place and date: Binh Son, Republic of Vietnam, 21 April 1967. Entered service at: portland, Oreg. Born: 21 September 1948, Lexington, Va. Citation: For conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his life above and beyond the call of duty. On 21 April 1967, during Operation UNION* elements of Company F, conducting offensive operations at Binh Son, encountered a firmly entrenched enemy force and immediately deployed to engage them. The marines in Pfc. Martini's platoon assaulted across an open rice paddy to within 20 meters of the enemy trench line where they were suddenly struck by hand grenades, intense small arms, automatic weapons, and mortar fire. The enemy onslaught killed 14 and wounded 18 marines, pinning the remainder of the platoon down behind a low paddy dike. In the face of imminent danger, Pfc. Martini immediately crawled over the dike to a forward open area within 15 meters of the enemy position where, continuously exposed to the hostile fire, he hurled hand grenades, killing several of the enemy. Crawling back through the intense fire, he rejoined his platoon which had moved to the relative safety of a trench line. From this position he observed several of his wounded comrades Lying helpless in the fire-swept paddy. Although he knew that 1 man had been killed attempting to assist the wounded, Pfc. Martini raced through the open area and dragged a comrade back to a friendly position. In spite of a serious wound received during this first daring rescue, he again braved the unrelenting fury of the enemy fire to aid another companion Lying wounded only 20 meters in front of the enemy trench line. As he reached the fallen marine, he received a mortal wound, but disregarding his own condition, he began to drag the marine toward his platoon's position. Observing men from his unit attempting to leave the security of their position to aid him, concerned only for their safety, he called to them to remain under cover, and through a final supreme effort, moved his injured comrade to where he could be pulled to safety, before he fell, succumbing to his wounds. Stouthearted and indomitable, Pfc. Martini unhesitatingly yielded his life to save 2 of his comrades and insure the safety of the remainder of his platoon. His outstanding courage, valiant fighting spirit and selfless devotion to duty reflected the highest credit upon himself, the Marine Corps, and the U.S. Naval Service. He gallantly gave his life for his country.

Spangaloid_PE · Post by **Spangaloid_PE** » April 5, 2003, 12:09 am

Aranuil wrote:I agree Raist. No reason for her to get the CMoH, but very few people understand why that award is given. The majority of the CMoH awards have been given posthumously. That is to say, whatever selfless and heroic act that was done by the winner caused them to die in the process while at the same time saving their squadmates or others.

Those of you who saw the movie or read the book, 'Black Hawk Down' will be familiar with the two Delta operators that were posthumously awarded the CMoH. This, is what wins the Medal of Honor...

nice post, but no one "wins" the medal of honor. they earn it.

Acies · Post by **Acies** » April 5, 2003, 12:10 am

Spangaloid_PE wrote:nice post, but no one "wins" the medal of honor. they earn it.

Amen

kyoukan · Post by **kyoukan** » April 5, 2003, 12:19 am

yes and that concludes today's lesson in pointless semantics.

Acies · Post by **Acies** » April 5, 2003, 12:22 am

kyoukan type-R wrote:yes and that concludes today's lesson in pointless semantics.

Amen

Mak · Post by **Mak** » April 5, 2003, 12:24 am

kyoukan type-R wrote:yes and that concludes today's lesson in pointless semantics.

And that's why, despite everything else, I continue to like Kyoukan.

noel · Post by **noel** » April 5, 2003, 12:59 am

Spangaloid_PE wrote:
Aranuil wrote:I agree Raist. No reason for her to get the CMoH, but very few people understand why that award is given. The majority of the CMoH awards have been given posthumously. That is to say, whatever selfless and heroic act that was done by the winner caused them to die in the process while at the same time saving their squadmates or others.

Those of you who saw the movie or read the book, 'Black Hawk Down' will be familiar with the two Delta operators that were posthumously awarded the CMoH. This, is what wins the Medal of Honor...
nice post, but no one "wins" the medal of honor. they earn it.

Poor choice of words on my part. I would think by the posts I made that you realize that I FUCKING KNOW THAT ALREADY ASSHOLE.

Spangaloid_PE · Post by **Spangaloid_PE** » April 5, 2003, 1:05 am

Aranuil wrote:Poor choice of words on my part. I would think by the posts I made that you realize that I FUCKING KNOW THAT ALREADY ASSHOLE.

if you already knew it why was the word "win" even in your train of thought?

Spangaloid_PE · Post by **Spangaloid_PE** » April 5, 2003, 1:07 am

oh and btw Aranuil, gratz on turning this uplifting thread into a flame.

noel · Post by **noel** » April 5, 2003, 1:07 am

It's the connotation between the fact that the CMH is 'awarded' I mentally associated 'awarded' with winning in my haste to ensure people didn't actually think a person who was a simply captured and rescued should get a CMH. Give it a rest.

Edit: If you can't take the heat, shut the fuck up asshole.

Spangaloid_PE · Post by **Spangaloid_PE** » April 5, 2003, 1:09 am

Aranuil wrote:If you want to carry on like little children, do so in the General Forum. Leave your weak-assed, tired, ad-hominem attacks when you come into this forum. I hate to break it to you, but my country is at war. I personally don't care if you're for it or against it, and I hope to see well thought out opinions on both sides posted here but lets end the flaming while there are people losing their lives on both sides of the conflict.

Civilians and soldiers on both sides of the conflict are losing their lives. Show a little sensitivity in this forum on the subject of the conflict with Iraq, leave the personal attacks at the door. There is nothing glamorous or jovial about this conflict.

practice what you preach.

noel · Post by **noel** » April 5, 2003, 1:16 am

I'm not arguing with you over the war asshole. I'm saying you are simply the most poorly spoken idiot in a long line of idiots that are posting here and you don't have a fucking centimeter of room to correct me on anything so go fuck yourself.

Spangaloid_PE · Post by **Spangaloid_PE** » April 5, 2003, 1:18 am

Aranuil wrote:I'm not arguing with you over the war asshole. I'm saying you are simply the most poorly spoken idiot in a long line of idiots that are posting here and you don't have a fucking centimeter of room to correct me on anything so go fuck yourself.

i laugh at you

noel · Post by **noel** » April 5, 2003, 1:22 am

Spangaloid_PE wrote:
Aranuil wrote:I'm not arguing with you over the war asshole. I'm saying you are simply the most poorly spoken idiot in a long line of idiots that are posting here and you don't have a fucking centimeter of room to correct me on anything so go fuck yourself.
i laugh at you

We all laugh at you.

Spangaloid_PE · Post by **Spangaloid_PE** » April 5, 2003, 1:24 am

Aranuil wrote:I'm not arguing with you over the war asshole. I'm saying you are simply the most poorly spoken idiot in a long line of idiots that are posting here and you don't have a fucking centimeter of room to correct me on anything so go fuck yourself.

how's it feel to be a hypocrite?

noel · Post by **noel** » April 5, 2003, 1:30 am

Do as I say, not as I do.

You're the one that took this thread off topic, not I. I was going to post a few more of the CMoH information I read, but if you wanna go toe to toe, I'll oblige.

Spangaloid_PE · Post by **Spangaloid_PE** » April 5, 2003, 1:34 am

Aranuil wrote:Do as I say, not as I do.

You're the one that took this thread off topic, not I. I was going to post a few more of the CMoH information I read, but if you wanna go toe to toe, I'll oblige.

you made 2 posts about the CMoH. i just commented on your use of the word "win". is this thread about medals or a rescued PoW?

Zamtuk · Post by **Zamtuk** » April 5, 2003, 1:46 am

Spangaloid_PE wrote:
Aranuil wrote:Poor choice of words on my part. I would think by the posts I made that you realize that I FUCKING KNOW THAT ALREADY ASSHOLE.

if you already knew it why was the word "win" even in your train of thought?

You see dumbfuck, this is what we call bait. And Aranuil took it, which proves your last post --as well as all of your posts-- to be fucking retarded. STFU and go fix something Rambo.

Raistin · Post by **Raistin** » April 5, 2003, 3:53 am

No shit. Shut the fuck up..both of you!